Refugia: Goopless

help, my NS bot seems to trapped in a loop

I genuinely have no idea how to help unfortunately but the fact that the issue outcome is "life is somewhat repetitive" for this error is kinda funny.

7:31 AM

Okay so I thought "this would make a great april fool's prank" and then I looked it up and it might be intentional? https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=508472&f=13&view=unread

As suggested I've added back an option for a recursive loop. So long as there's no stat changes to it, I can't see any reason why it would be game-breaking.

(edited)

NationStates • View topic - [submitted 5.10.21] Busting To Go

It is most devious, I'll have to modify my bot, in the meantime I can just change the inputs that it keeps returning to

I wonder how long someone's got stuck in that loop hyper

don't tease, we might all be! hyper

"brb making a busting to go hunter nation"

On a related note, if that issue still produce card pack, would be a great boon for card farming

Ooooh yeah!!

oh good point

12:31 PM

lol

By the way, I was wondering how to get access to the nationstates rp chat, and if there was a verification process. If its a private thing I understand too

is there any recommendations for sites where i can make flags?

https://azgaar.github.io/Armoria/

Armoria

Heraldry Generator and Editor by Azgaar

I use https://tennessine.co.uk/flags/ for my flags

Flag Designer - Tennessine

Tennessine's free flag maker! Easily create a custom flag design, then download, share, and print. Add images, shapes and filters - draw your perfect flag!

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that is what I ended up using!

4:21 PM

4:22 PM

Thank you!

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it's so 'oud

8:06 AM

that image is screaming at me

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does anyone here know google apps script (better than I do at least)

Apologies if this is rude, but does anyone know a good NS RP group? I would RP in this one but I kinda consider this group as more of a chill hangout with good vibes.

2:33 AM

In addition I will say that my nation is of the very evil varient, I hope this help with any answers to my question

Yea imean, some of us in Refugia RP, but Refugia generally isn't an RP Region as far as ive experienced :P

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I will forever RP in Refugia because I know not of anywhere else where the vibes are so good as here

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what is the difference between the human square and the ground floor

human square is for any topic but usually ground floor is just for ns

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Meelon

what is the difference between the human square and the ground floor

I think it's (now, at least) more of a "if your message would feel out of place in the current conversation in one channel, post it in the other."

Both walrus and JRD's options work! (edited)

4:55 PM

Traditionally in the CalRef server, ground floor was for general NS stuff and there was a mostly NS free general chat for folks who didn't play the game. We kept a similar layout when we made this server, but because everyone in this server plays NS they both work as a general chat.

4:56 PM

Functionally the only difference is that people with the Visitor role can see human square, and only people with the Member and Friend roles (Refugia and Embassies) can see ground floor

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Because of the 'atter fact, people also tend to post 'ore of their nation in g-f whilst posting more 'aid back over in h-s

5:10 PM

This is shown in how current'y in h-s there's a tumb'r voiceover video, whilst in g-f there's an albeit goofy conversation about con'anging

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returning player to the game (played it once like 5 years ago and didnt understand anything): can i let issues stack up infinitely or is there a limit to how many i can have in the queue?

You can only have 5 at a time unfortunately

9:59 PM

thanks

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played it once like 5 years ago

My first thought was "hey that's about when I started" but now I realise that it's now been again as long

3:36 AM

HA

5:14 AM

old person

Hehe

8:53 AM

ooold

8:53 AM

hehe

8:53 AM

he

8:53 AM

. . . Time moves too quickly

Time moves at 60 seconds per minute StElmosFire

Did you know that every 60 seconds

8:55 AM

a minute passes in northern Norway

8:55 AM

and I do not think that is accurate

This reminds me of a thing I saw one min

8:58 AM

I think it's been proven it's fake now but the style of fact delivery remains funny

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haha

9:00 AM

Remember I saw a post once about how an astroid had hit northern norway millions of years ago and a dude wrote, in northern dialect (Translated) "FuUuC, the news are so slow up here"

9:00 AM

got a chuckle out of me

9:00 AM

cause it wasnt a meme, I literally saw it in the comments on the news article lol (edited)

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Ahahahaha I love that

and yea

9:06 AM

that seems about right for northern Norway tbh

I've created another nation, Blod and Meolc. This new nation is not my primary one, which is Izzalia. I also brought my new nation to Refugia. Is that alright, and are there any rules around having a secondary nation that I should be aware of? I know not to join the World Assembly on the new nation. (edited)

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You just need to make the Councillor of Operations aware afaik

The office is now aware

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Thanks!

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As a returning newb, what things have changed in NS since 2019?

Off the top of my head, more cards have come out, there's a second N-Day each year, there's a new system for which regions nations can be founded in, there are new types of World Assembly resolutions

12:53 AM

I guess it depends on whether you were involved enough in the past for any of this to be meaningful

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12:53 AM

I know there are some new stats for issues players but I can't remember them all

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Huh… I wonder what’s with the styling of Refugia as, well, a stable refuge. Are regions generally prone instability and stuff? I’ve played in NS back then but I was a kid so I mostly kept to myself….

2:01 AM

Also, are there limits to the amo. of land you can get for the region map? How do we describe what land we want to get? (edited)

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"from this here place to that there place. Here is a handy screenshot with approx borders in red"

2:09 AM

I don't know about any precise limits, but your population influences how much you can request

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Where/to whom can we ask such thing?

To the councillor of Cartography

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2:19 AM

That would be St.Leone

TheCertainTwit

Also, are there limits to the amo. of land you can get for the region map? How do we describe what land we want to get? (edited)

Currently it's the councillor of cartography, yes, but there's actually a referendum which may change who controls the map. If that happens, there could be some delays in processing applications as we get things changed over

2:42 AM

As far as Refugia's concept, it stems from the web community which Refugia originates out of, Calamity Refuge, which aims to be a source of rest and respite amid a changing internet and world. NationStates is prone to a lot of politicking and drama and power struggles and such, so the theme carries over fairly nicely since we're a region that doesn't make alliances with voting blocs or raid/defense gameplay

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Sorry if I’m asking so many inane questions but what are voting blocs and raid/defense gameplay?

You're totally fine, NS is super confusing and there's nothing that really helps explain a lot of this well

2:51 AM

r/d, also called gameplay, is where groups of people will coordinate "raids" on other regions, trying to use influence to disrupt things in a variety of ways, and other people will try to counter by defending against these raids. It's not my thing but there are people with experience on both sides who can describe it better

2:53 AM

With voting blocs, I'm referring broadly to the way prominent groups on the site will align their interests when it comes to World Assembly votes. Clusters of large regions will have similar goals or political incentives to either pass or shut down certain proposals for reasons other than the quality of the text - maybe it's what the author has done in the past, maybe it's what region they're a part of, maybe it's something else altogether

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Thanks! How has Refugia kept safe from raids in the past? Are there tidbits of NationStates culture and history one should know?

I'm the wrong person to ask about history and culture, but Refugia is safe from raids because the region's founder is present and active. Additionally, the high rate of endorsement means we have some additional resilience in the event that the founder protection were no longer applicable

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#dotdotdot is a very handy tool for keeping the high level of endorsements in the region

Sorry again, but how do endorsements prevent raiding?

3:05 AM

Sorry I am asking so many questions. You can tell me to stop…

Endorsements build influence, you get an extra influence point for every endorsement you have each day. Everyone except the founder of a region needs to spend influence to ban others. I think it's about a third of what the nation you intend to ban has.

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cat

Endorsements build influence, you get an extra influence point for every endorsement you have each day. Everyone except the founder of a region needs to spend influence to ban others. I think it's about a third of what the nation you intend to ban has.

Oh ok! Thanks again!

No problemo!

cat

Endorsements build influence, you get an extra influence point for every endorsement you have each day. Everyone except the founder of a region needs to spend influence to ban others. I think it's about a third of what the nation you intend to ban has.

Huh

3:39 AM

I didn't know that

3:39 AM

I'm just doing endorsements because why not heppy

We're all building a little shield wall ItIsSo

Natalie

Currently it's the councillor of cartography, yes, but there's actually a referendum which may change who controls the map. If that happens, there could be some delays in processing applications as we get things changed over

Yea, as far as ive picked up the position is getting abolished or whatever, so I havent posted a map update as its gonna have to be replaced regardless :

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Can I get some economic assistance, my economy is terrible

8:38 AM

until I can get back up on my own two feet

🌺🌈Dolan🏳⚧🌈🌺

Can I get some economic assistance, my economy is terrible

Do you want an honest advice or actual help?

one mo, i'll do this later, sry

8:40 AM

If you have advice I would gladly hear it

Well, with crazy NS mechanics the only advice is "pray to the Lord". HOWEVER you can also use this http://www.mwq.dds.nl/ns/results/ (edited)

Thanks!

But be aware that results there are not, uh, always 100% same as you will get

Economy is always crap if your nation is new, but once it picks up it's hard to tank it.

Thanks!

8:42 AM

If your nation is socialist, you want to choose answers that increase business subsidisation, or for capitalism you want to choose answers that increase economic freedom, and that should help it along a little bit quicker iirc

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Thanks, I’m Socialist

cat

If your nation is socialist, you want to choose answers that increase business subsidisation, or for capitalism you want to choose answers that increase economic freedom, and that should help it along a little bit quicker iirc

can we get this pinned it seems very useful for beginners

You can react with a

and if it gets 5, @Dot will pin it. She is a very democratic bot.

cool, thanks! (edited)

cat

If your nation is socialist, you want to choose answers that increase business subsidisation, or for capitalism you want to choose answers that increase economic freedom, and that should help it along a little bit quicker iirc

god that explains why my business subsidisation is so high

Dot pinned a message to this channel. 2/9/2024 1:35 PM

Democracy: Approved.

cat

If your nation is socialist, you want to choose answers that increase business subsidisation, or for capitalism you want to choose answers that increase economic freedom, and that should help it along a little bit quicker iirc

what does business subsidisation mean?

Money spent by government on companies

2:21 PM

It's when the government gives money to stimu'ate the economy

okiii

2:28 PM

thx

Is it me or do issues appear less and less frequently as time goes on?

They do, yeah

5:23 PM

Eventually they'll only appear every 6 hours

5:23 PM

which i thought was too long for a while but it's honestly a pretty refreshing change of pace

5:24 PM

compared to a lot of other games

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People are talking about puppets, what are they?

Extra nations!

Like the other nations the person created?

yup

4:03 PM

People tend to have main nations in the wa

4:04 PM

and other nations just because they want to or use them to do some game aspect easier

4:06 PM

'ike, many folk here made card farm puppets; these are puppets that people answer issues on the get cards as to increase the chances of getting a good card which they can then send to their main

I see! Why would you farm for cards? Isn't their purpose just to buy and sell them on the market?

a lot of people collect cards, either to try and get more money off them in the future, or to have a card collection with a particular aesthetic/theme. Card farming, therefore, allows both a) easy collection of cards and b) collecting bank, maybe to by a legendary card that would take them a while to save up for otherwise

Ah, makes sense, thanks!

np

Ika

I see! Why would you farm for cards? Isn't their purpose just to buy and sell them on the market?

You can only buy cards with funds made by junking cards however, so the more cards you can create to junk, the more bank you have to spend. (edited)

8:11 PM

Or rather, all bank comes from a card that was, at one point, junked

Is there a way to search for cards now that TNP's card queries appear to have been discontinued?

4:33 PM

I'm so very close to finishing my S3 Canada, Refugia, Caer Sidi, Spiritus and S2 Canada collections.

sideroca.com is a useful yet incomplete replacement

4:34 PM

It isn't as thorough but it gets the job done, sometimes

There are cardlist text files I can send tomorrow (I'm travelling for the next 24 hours or so)

5:02 PM

It's how I've been finding the numbered cards since there isn't a way to put that query in via TNP afaik

Thanks

I don't even know what cards are....

Collectibles you sometimes get by addressing issues

Is there a way to block someone on NationStates? I'm getting spammed by this person via telegram because I bought a card that they want. (edited)

6:04 PM

I just found the ignore list but I guess I'll see if that functions the same as a block.

Yeah, if they're on your telegram ignore list, they will be physically unable to send a message to you there.

Raskuly ⚜ Melenavenia

Is there a way to block someone on NationStates? I'm getting spammed by this person via telegram because I bought a card that they want. (edited)

Popular card? XD

Deleted User

Popular card? XD

https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=154193/season=2

9:05 PM

If they really wanted it they could ask someone who doesn't have it in a collection and put a bid themselves

excellent card

I wonder if they're going to try and telegram me again when I buy this card.

dang lol

10:13 PM

thats some serious junk your giving off there

Wait they messaged me about two weeks ago trying to get me to give them another card but I forgot about it.

10:27 PM

That is weird.

Should puppets just stay in their default region?

you could make a puppet storage region

Anyone here is also free to use mine: https://www.nationstates.net/region=primitiveness

4:46 PM

Mostly it's better to not have puppets in Refugia because if they're inactive, they dilute the region's stats a bit. But as long as you let the ops councillor know they're yours, they're allowed to be here too

if I actually use it as uch as my main one I might put it here then

5:07 PM

we shall see

does anyone know why I’m not able to send commands (other than built-in)? I’m on the website on mobile which I know is not how it’s intended to be but it should work okay regardless of operating system

What commands

The only commands I can access are the ones that are built in (like /gif and /msg and stuff like that) w/ no commands from any bots available

That sounds like a bug with Discord's web-based version of the chat. Using application commands is a base permission of the @.everyone role, and no roles are disallowed from using them.

3:27 PM

You should still be able to use Dot's commands, if desired, by substituting the / with @Dot (edited)

ty

If you dismiss an issue, does it come back again later?

It depends. Most issues that you qualify for will cycle around again and again over time. If I remember correctly, the only issues that come one time only are issues that are part of a chain, easter eggs, and the issues that come when you first unlock your leader, capital, and religion.

You can get the field unlock issues again. No idea on easter eggs

kk ty

Hi! I have a question about the maps, I'm not really understanding much about them, mainly why there are other maps besides regional refugia map (I thought all rp was done there) and also why some of these alternatives maps also ask for a "world map"? (Idk if its the regional map or an WA map) Anyways I would like to have my nation be part at least the regional map of Refugia but I believe to be best to first have a better understanding regarding this doubts that I have or have yet to have. Any help regarding this topic would be appreciated but please ask me in case of any doubts regarding my questions.

7:04 PM

Another question I do have is about the application for the regional map, mainly about the country size. I already have a lovely place I would like to be but I'm not quite sure how to determine the size of my country, although I have already a desired place, I'm also quite new to refugia (since returning to play NS) and I'm still waiting on my 1 week of existence to join the map, but anyways, what would be the best way to decide a country size? I do not wish to get out of line with my pick

Pumpkin

Another question I do have is about the application for the regional map, mainly about the country size. I already have a lovely place I would like to be but I'm not quite sure how to determine the size of my country, although I have already a desired place, I'm also quite new to refugia (since returning to play NS) and I'm still waiting on my 1 week of existence to join the map, but anyways, what would be the best way to decide a country size? I do not wish to get out of line with my pick

population and/or issues addressed and age maybe just conform it with others , and if your desired place on map is near coast take as much of it as possible it will be less but still ( after, is my opinion it is solely your decision k)

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I was wondering: how exactly World Assembly resolutions actually affect the member nations, and what does the little red icon notification on Refugia actually signify in the sidebar?

first question: all of the active, non-repealed GA resolutions, though a lot of people RP their own set of policies for their nation and ignore that second question: unread RMB posts I believe

shiiru

I was wondering: how exactly World Assembly resolutions actually affect the member nations, and what does the little red icon notification on Refugia actually signify in the sidebar?

At the moment they're passed, GA resolutions will impose stat changes on all currently enrolled WA nations. These aren't documented or revealed prior to going into effect, and in most cases they won't be too significant - exceptions can occur if you have any stats that are much higher or lower than average. Other than that, it's all RP

all right I see thank you both

how do I get administration to not be the main government spending

Answering issues

4:14 PM

depends on what you want to increase though

can policies be changed by answering future issues? i just got the “No WMDs” policy but now i’m thinking i might need them if things go south and diplomacy isn’t an option

yeah dw, oftentimes after you enact a pol'icy you'll get an issue to undo it a few days 'ater

alr thanks

how is it down over 100%???? wouldnt that make it negative???

6:50 AM

ig so

lunaz_here

ig so

I would take that as you destroying retail stores! Don't worry, I destroy 17 pieces of furniture every day, it's fun ^^

Qwiozn || Tuluni

I would take that as you destroying retail stores! Don't worry, I destroy 17 pieces of furniture every day, it's fun ^^

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I may have had too much time while waiting to be accepted and thought of lore for my nation with a map

12:00 PM

I did base it off of y'all's map

You can still put map lore in #tuluni-sphere! It's a general chat, this is a questions channel :>

Qwiozn || Tuluni

You can still put map lore in #tuluni-sphere! It's a general chat, this is a questions channel :>

I just wasn't sure where to put map things

#info Has descriptions for all channels!

hello! i just made a new account and joined the WA - i remember there being a tool for determining which individuals in the region are WA endorsable, but can't find it. can someone please be merciful and grant me the url??

omnicrumb (the land named bob)

hello! i just made a new account and joined the WA - i remember there being a tool for determining which individuals in the region are WA endorsable, but can't find it. can someone please be merciful and grant me the url??

https://tart.calref.ca

Tart.CalRef

Tart.CalRef is a fast and easy web utility to help you endorse Word Assembly members in your region.

thank you!!

Of course! It’s nice to see you back!

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I'm confused about masking and being a citizen, can someone please help me out and guide me through it?

Can't be that confused if you call it masking. That at least indicates you are a longtime NS player.

11:50 AM

As for citizenship, in Refuia, those are called Member States. You become a member state automatically when you are a WA nation in Refugia for seven days.

11:50 AM

When you meet the threshold, you'll be pinged in the Member State roster dispatch on The Local Authority nation.

11:50 AM

Which is here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1986485

Ohhh, I see. Thank you

I do not understand why my Imgur links do not work in my factbooks. I feel like I must be missing something really obvious and making a really silly mistake. https://www.nationstates.net/nation=melenavenia/detail=factbook/id=2598298 https://imgur.com/a/uMW1FZH

Raskuly ⚜ Melenavenia

I do not understand why my Imgur links do not work in my factbooks. I feel like I must be missing something really obvious and making a really silly mistake. https://www.nationstates.net/nation=melenavenia/detail=factbook/id=2598298 https://imgur.com/a/uMW1FZH

iirc, you have to c'ick the button to copy 'ink on the website on a computer

The image tag is looking for a file, meaning a file extension. Without the file extension you're linking a page, which the tag cannot embed.

3:00 AM

The real image is https://i.imgur.com/tmGRP5p.png

That fixed it, thank you. When I clicked Grab link it just gave me the same thing. I remember doing it successfully once.

jol'y good!

Right-click -> open image in new tab -> copy URL is when I do in a pinch

Yeah, I just completely forgot about that because when I clicked Grab link I foolishly thought it was linking the image, despite it also being the URL lol

First male prime minister. There wasn't even a male deputy PM before this. I wasn't intending on making it take so long, it just kinda developed that way. (edited)

i tried getting on the map

10:32 PM

what is RMB

regional message board

10:33 PM

We're currently in the process of transitioning some things due to some of the old staff departing, so the map is a little up in the air right now

10:33 PM

In the meantime, you could read the guidelines for it, which you won't meet yet having just joined today

10:33 PM

That being said, I don't know if those might change when somebody else runs it

is there a way to unban cars once you do

You can change any policy eventually, you just have to get a relevant issue

i know you can delay issues but is there any way to get them more often

Rusty

i know you can delay issues but is there any way to get them more often

Nope. No throttle will still leave a 6 hour delay.

8:34 AM

6 hours is the minimum delay between issues

What does it mean when a nation motto is just "NationStates"? Is that one of the ones that mods changed for being against site rules or is it one that got left blank? I guess mostly a question for @Oops! Here we go again

There is an easter egg issue that only shows up if your motto has the word "NationStates" in it - some are more creative with it and incorporate it into their motto, but some (like me when I was a noob) simply set it to "NationStates" with nothing else added, the motto itself is nothing special /notaav

Ahhhh thank you!

^ mere is right

Theres other easter eggs with the motto so sometimes youll see ones like "nationstates and friendship" or "moo nationstates" as well! Those are prettu common

1:36 PM

I think mod changed mottos are typically one billion words

That would be pretitles

Argo || Lethodus

I think mod changed mottos are typically one billion words

Oh yeah, I remember seeing something like that around the S4 rollout

Merethin

That would be pretitles

Ive seen it with mottos too!

Oh really? I've never seen that

I think mods change their own pretitles for funsies

They've also changed the pretitles of others a few times

Forwarded

Long mottos are usually to replace rule breaking one (and they're generic things), but long pretitles are almost always a moderator nation

Originally sent: 3/16/2024 2:24 PM

1:44 PM

Ah yes, this

1:44 PM

I just wasn't sure if "nationstates" was a lazier version XD

See Ambis2 or Islands of Ventro

I need to look into the easter eggs more, but I've no idea which ones I have

1:45 PM

Ooooh those are fun

There were a whole bunch during the Roses Without Thorns raid but most were reverted

1:47 PM

Except for Paige which was DEATed, the pretitles were reverted, and then it was reinstated

1:47 PM

But it seems like 0cala has changed their pretitle since then

@Oops! Here we go again I will pay you 2 quarters and a sparkly button :p

LOL

It was worth a try ItIsSo

Merethin

There were a whole bunch during the Roses Without Thorns raid but most were reverted

I had one of those for just a bit!

you sure did, i gave you it xD

Maddie did you have two buttons or three quarters for your bribe

Wh

Well clearly it was more than two quarters and a single sparkly button :(

2:01 PM

But I don't wanna be over-committing to the bribe you know?

cat

Click to see original message

im so proud of myself i know how NS works

3:16 PM

(somebody free me from this hell)

I know very little Heppy

lets trade!

3:30 PM

opsec leaks via telepathy